Comments on: The Cream Wants Out of the House http://www.cubiclegm.com/2009/03/03/the-cream-wants-to-get-out-of-the-house/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:46:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Morning Blend Maurice http://www.cubiclegm.com/2009/03/03/the-cream-wants-to-get-out-of-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Morning Blend Maurice Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:25:59 +0000 http://www.cubiclegm.com/?p=93#comment-12 Appreciate the thoughts Matt. I think your recognition of Bond's value is astutue. The crusty-old fallen star can indeed be an underestimated source of value. Just off the top of the head, I know Bonds was available late in drafts in '07 and then dropped a stupid .276/.480/.565 with 28 HRs (and 5 steals!!!!). Dude was 42. As for this year, a quick look at our stolen PECOTA projections (thanks BP) shows a couple 38 year olds who could still bop a bit: Brian Giles is projected for a .280/.376/.415 with 9 HRs while Giambi and Thome are due to hit 24 & 21 homers respectivly. And wow, what a difference a year makes. Manny and Chipper are 37. And i just learned that Jeremy Piven is like 49. Who knew? As for jerseys, I'm last-level-of-Mike Tyson's-Punchout hard just thinking of the possibilities. I would think Mitchell & Ness have the monopoly on all actual throwbacks, but the prospect route (Hanley on Sox or my personal favorite Kazmir on Mets [too soon?]) is infinite and delicious. Another category to ponder is the 'How I barely knew thee' category. Think Beltran and Randy on the Stros or Piazza on the Fish or Cliff Floyd on the Sox. This idea might be a nice project for Vince, as well. Find me best productions from a player with <50 games for a team. Looking at you CC... Appreciate the thoughts Matt. I think your recognition of Bond’s value is astutue. The crusty-old fallen star can indeed be an underestimated source of value. Just off the top of the head, I know Bonds was available late in drafts in ’07 and then dropped a stupid .276/.480/.565 with 28 HRs (and 5 steals!!!!). Dude was 42. As for this year, a quick look at our stolen PECOTA projections (thanks BP) shows a couple 38 year olds who could still bop a bit: Brian Giles is projected for a .280/.376/.415 with 9 HRs while Giambi and Thome are due to hit 24 & 21 homers respectivly. And wow, what a difference a year makes. Manny and Chipper are 37. And i just learned that Jeremy Piven is like 49. Who knew?

As for jerseys, I’m last-level-of-Mike Tyson’s-Punchout hard just thinking of the possibilities. I would think Mitchell & Ness have the monopoly on all actual throwbacks, but the prospect route (Hanley on Sox or my personal favorite Kazmir on Mets [too soon?]) is infinite and delicious. Another category to ponder is the ‘How I barely knew thee’ category. Think Beltran and Randy on the Stros or Piazza on the Fish or Cliff Floyd on the Sox. This idea might be a nice project for Vince, as well. Find me best productions from a player with <50 games for a team. Looking at you CC…

]]> By: Matt http://www.cubiclegm.com/2009/03/03/the-cream-wants-to-get-out-of-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Matt Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:54:39 +0000 http://www.cubiclegm.com/?p=93#comment-11 Bear in mind my Bonds drafting thoughts were ONLY if he were signed, unless I was in a 18 - 24 team league or something. Another jersey idea might be players who had some type of notorious incident with one team, getting the jersey from their original team. Trying to think of an example. Like if Izzy ALcantra had pulled his Karateka act in the Majors but had played for someoen else. The Schilling, Bagwell, and Sizemore jerseys you mentioned are also in a different category, cause they were prospects at the time. Comprable to a Hanley Ramirez Red Sox jersey. A good category nonetheless. Bear in mind my Bonds drafting thoughts were ONLY if he were signed, unless I was in a 18 – 24 team league or something.

Another jersey idea might be players who had some type of notorious incident with one team, getting the jersey from their original team. Trying to think of an example. Like if Izzy ALcantra had pulled his Karateka act in the Majors but had played for someoen else.

The Schilling, Bagwell, and Sizemore jerseys you mentioned are also in a different category, cause they were prospects at the time. Comprable to a Hanley Ramirez Red Sox jersey. A good category nonetheless.

]]> By: CAPS LOCK CARL http://www.cubiclegm.com/2009/03/03/the-cream-wants-to-get-out-of-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-10 CAPS LOCK CARL Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:09:12 +0000 http://www.cubiclegm.com/?p=93#comment-10 Great points, Matt. Definitely agreed on Vlad the Dad over Bonds, even if he signs this afternoon. If he signs this afternoon, I'm considering him over Dye in my Sunday draft, though. If not, think he probably goes undrafted but I may pick him up in the last round for the sake of ridiculousness. On that note, when exactly does a former player leave the list of active players on ESPN? It seems to me that Bonds has been out of the game long enough to be removed. I mean, if he hasn't been pulled, could I draft Pete Incaviglia if I wanted to? Mike Devereaux? Neither of those guys had official retirement ceremonies either. If so, I would seriously consider a last-round pick purely for the ensuing conversation "if Pete Incaviglia re-joined the Phillies today, how many homers would he hit?" 10? Would he hit above .200? Is his K to BB ratio still 4:1 (see 1986-87)? These are the issues I pondered on the toilet this morning. Great points, Matt. Definitely agreed on Vlad the Dad over Bonds, even if he signs this afternoon. If he signs this afternoon, I’m considering him over Dye in my Sunday draft, though. If not, think he probably goes undrafted but I may pick him up in the last round for the sake of ridiculousness.

On that note, when exactly does a former player leave the list of active players on ESPN? It seems to me that Bonds has been out of the game long enough to be removed. I mean, if he hasn’t been pulled, could I draft Pete Incaviglia if I wanted to? Mike Devereaux? Neither of those guys had official retirement ceremonies either.

If so, I would seriously consider a last-round pick purely for the ensuing conversation “if Pete Incaviglia re-joined the Phillies today, how many homers would he hit?” 10? Would he hit above .200? Is his K to BB ratio still 4:1 (see 1986-87)?

These are the issues I pondered on the toilet this morning.

]]> By: VLookup Vince http://www.cubiclegm.com/2009/03/03/the-cream-wants-to-get-out-of-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-8 VLookup Vince Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:21:58 +0000 http://www.cubiclegm.com/?p=93#comment-8 Genius, pure genius. That very well could lead to a top 10 'small market' team jerseys I wish I had. Grady Sizemore Expos (Does that count, if he never made it to the bigs?) Schilling Orioles jersey? Bagwell Redsox jersey? At this point even Beltran on the Royals would be pretty throwback. And yes, those mid 90s Expos teams were really good. Definitely agree on your fantasy thoughts...but need to be guaranteed Bonds is coming back to sign him there. Without the guarantee, he may be worth a late round flier, to stash on the bench in the off chance he comes. Has the potential to provide more value than Ramon Hernandez. Genius, pure genius. That very well could lead to a top 10 ‘small market’ team jerseys I wish I had. Grady Sizemore Expos (Does that count, if he never made it to the bigs?) Schilling Orioles jersey? Bagwell Redsox jersey? At this point even Beltran on the Royals would be pretty throwback. And yes, those mid 90s Expos teams were really good.

Definitely agree on your fantasy thoughts…but need to be guaranteed Bonds is coming back to sign him there. Without the guarantee, he may be worth a late round flier, to stash on the bench in the off chance he comes. Has the potential to provide more value than Ramon Hernandez.

]]> By: Matt http://www.cubiclegm.com/2009/03/03/the-cream-wants-to-get-out-of-the-house/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Matt Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:20:52 +0000 http://www.cubiclegm.com/?p=93#comment-7 If you're the Royals and can sign him for under 10 mil, yes, you sign him to up the gate a wee bit. People might even buy his jersey as part of a costume. When is the last time you saw a Royals jersey being worn?? Actually I would love a Quinsinberry jersey (sp?). I would also like a stable of jerseys of big time players from their original small market teams. Think of all the sweet Expos gear! Pedro, RJ, Larry Walker, Guerrero. I'd get a Beltran Royals jersey too for that matter. ANYWAYS sorry I ramble. Where to draft Bonds in fantasy? Definitely after Guerrero and before Dye, and it is totally league dependent, both stats wise and competitor wise. You need to know how many Dodgers fans are in your league (I live in LA), how many Giants fans, how many juicers, etc. One reason I would draft Vlad the Dad ahead of Bonds is trade value, as most people tend to overvalue downward trending former superstars, while undervaluing downward trending former average guys. Giambi, for example, will go way lower than he should this year, while Vlad will go way higher, IMHO. Draft Vlad and you may be able to trade for young hitters, draft Bonds and you're stuck with him If you’re the Royals and can sign him for under 10 mil, yes, you sign him to up the gate a wee bit. People might even buy his jersey as part of a costume. When is the last time you saw a Royals jersey being worn?? Actually I would love a Quinsinberry jersey (sp?). I would also like a stable of jerseys of big time players from their original small market teams. Think of all the sweet Expos gear! Pedro, RJ, Larry Walker, Guerrero. I’d get a Beltran Royals jersey too for that matter. ANYWAYS sorry I ramble.

Where to draft Bonds in fantasy? Definitely after Guerrero and before Dye, and it is totally league dependent, both stats wise and competitor wise. You need to know how many Dodgers fans are in your league (I live in LA), how many Giants fans, how many juicers, etc. One reason I would draft Vlad the Dad ahead of Bonds is trade value, as most people tend to overvalue downward trending former superstars, while undervaluing downward trending former average guys. Giambi, for example, will go way lower than he should this year, while Vlad will go way higher, IMHO. Draft Vlad and you may be able to trade for young hitters, draft Bonds and you’re stuck with him

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