The Cream Wants Out of the House

From the wires today, news that the agent for Barry Lamar Bonds given the go-ahead to inquire if any teams are interested in signing The Cream to a deal for 2009 (Agent Still Seeking Team for Bonds).  With the federal trial on hold, it looks like old Barry is having a tough time finding something to do.

The question remains, all assumptions aside: Where does The Cream fall on the draft board if he signs with, say, the Kansas City Royals tomorrow?

Three ways to break this down, I think…

1) Where would The Cream fall statistically among 2009 OFs and in overall ADP (average draft position)?

First, a basic chart used ad nauseum by “fantasy experts” from Yahoo! to ESPN but relatively useful here:

2007 Statistics (Bonds), 2008 Statistics (Players A, B)
Player Position Team G AB H Avg 2B 3B HR RBI BB R SB CS K E FP FP/G
Barry Bonds OF FA 126 340 94 0.276 14 0 28 66 132 75 5 0 54 4 448 3.6
Player A OF 143 541 164 0.303 31 3 27 91 51 85 5 3 77 4 443 3
Player B OF 154 590 172 0.291 41 2 34 96 44 96 3 2 104 1 465 3

Who is Player A, you ask? The one-and-only Vladimir Guerrero. Vlad ranked #19 among mixed league OFs in 2008 production (by points) and is currently being drafted for 2009 at an ADP of #123 (13th round of 10-team league). Player B? Jermaine Dye, ranked #14 among mixed league OFs in points production for 2008 with an ADP of #80 (8th round of a 10-team league) in 2009.

For fantasy output based on 2007/2008 stat comparison, The Cream ranks somewhere in between these two other aging sluggers.  With those statistics, Barry’s mixed league ADP would be between pick #80 and #125. You figure that in a points league, he is on the closer to #80 in that spectrum for relative value (overall draft position would be higher because he’s obviously risky). In 5×5 leagues, he’s certainly much closer to the #125 range in terms of value, if not a bit higher.

Based on stat comparison for immediately prior years, The Cream appears to be the #15-20 OF. Believable? I’m not so sure.

2) How would Kauffman Stadium (i.e. the House that Nolan Ryan Goose-Egged, as an opposing pitcher, shortly after opening in 1973) impact The Cream’s projected stats?

In 2007, Barry didn’t make an appearance at Kauffman. He did, however, in 2003, where he went 4-for-9 with 1 HR and 5 walks. I guess that tells us absolutely nothing.

An important general note that the move from AT&T Park in San Francisco to Kauffman would add 21 feet down the left field line but remove 46 feet in the right-center gap. The Cream likes to pull the ball, so you figure the shorter drive to the gap helps him marginally, with lengthening the left-field line a relative wash.

Net-net, nothing about Kauffman gives an indicator that Barry’s stats would suffer too much. If anything, his HR number might increase slightly, especially since he hasn’t been a gaps doubles hitter in years.

To play in Kauffman Stadium, you also have to figure that Barry would be playing with the 2009 Kansas City Royals. That said, a change to the AL would almost certainly put The Cream as a starter at DH instead of RF, ousting Billy Butler, who’s already so bad in the field that they’ve put him at DH at 22. Butler probably gets time there and at 1B. Doubtful that Barry plays anywhere but anti-social section of the bench in the top-half of innings and DH in the bottom-half except in interleague play where he probably pinch hits and complains that he isn’t starting in right.

Playing at DH is obviously a huge boon for The Cream. His knees have bothered him for ages, and having the ability to saunter out once an hour Kirk Gibson-like and hit bombs has got to improve overall numbers (The Cream = G, AB, HR & RBI +10%).

Playing with the Royals is awful for The Cream. He’s never benefited from hitting ahead of a real slugger, unless you count Jeff Kent, and Alex Gordon, Mike Jacobs and Jose Guillen certainly don’t fit that category. He immediately becomes the leading candidate to lead the league in walks, the value of which depends entirely on your league. In points leagues that include walks, The Cream automatically jumps up about 40 spots on the draft board. In other leagues like 5×5, all it does is remove another opportunity for The Cream to use those steriod-enhanced biceps to drive another one over the fence (The Cream = BB +10%).

Playing in the AL Central is another improvement for The Cream. The division scored 500 more runs in 2008 than the NL West did. In 2008, the Royals put up 50 more runs than the Giants, and the 2007 Giants put up about equal to the 2008 Royals (683 runs scored versus 691 runs scored).  In general, The Cream will be going to a better team in terms of offensive production compared to the one he played for in 2007 (The Cream = R +5%).

Finally, we can’t forget that The Cream is 44. Not Randy Johnson old, but almost. Playing DH helps him tremendously on the fatigue gradient, but you have to figure that his overall numbers drop by about 5% from 2007, a similar decrease to annual averages from 2004-2007. We’ve included that in our calculations prior to the assumptions above (The Cream = Overall, -5%)

As a result, below are The Cream’s projected 2009 stats based on assumptions above:

Barry Bonds Projected 2009 Statistics (Kansas City Royals)
Player Position Team G AB H Avg 2B 3B HR RBI BB R SB CS K E FP FP/G
Barry Bonds OF KC 132 355 89 0 13 0 29 69 138 75 4 0 51 4 454 3.6

3) What other factors must be considered when The Cream is available to you at #125?

There is the inevitable can-I-draft-this-ignorant-cheating (but did he cheat?)-asshole? element, here. CAPS LOCK CARL couldn’t. I know that for a fact. But it’s hard to deny that he would be a deal if he dropped beyond the 10th round in a 10-team league. He even comes in with OF eligibility while playing DH, for a bit more flexibility than a guy like David Ortiz.

You also have to consider league type. In a points league, The Cream is incredibly valuable simply because of the walks factor. Performance in all leagues would be enhanced by the fact that he is playing DH. In a regular 5×5 league, his value certainly decreases, but not too far below Guerrero and Dye as evidenced above.

Last but not least, has The Cream disintegrated further than we’ve estimated above? Is his production down more than 5% with well over a year away from the game? Are there any other performance enhancing drugs that The Cream can get his hands on? Is the drive still there, now that he has tainted baseball record books across the board and yet remains in contention for the most-hated-athlete-alive award, falling just short of A-Rod at present, and just ahead of Michael Vick? All of these could significantly impact his output in 2009.

Nonetheless, by my calculations, if The Cream signed a $10M one-year deal with the Royals tomorrow, he immediately becomes a #15-20 ranked OF in mixed leagues. Meaning that in leagues with three OFs, he is definitely a starter and a valuable one.

So would you draft him? Where?

If you’re the KC Royals, do you sign him? Under what conditions?

CAPS LOCK CARL

5 Comments

  1. Matt says:

    If you’re the Royals and can sign him for under 10 mil, yes, you sign him to up the gate a wee bit. People might even buy his jersey as part of a costume. When is the last time you saw a Royals jersey being worn?? Actually I would love a Quinsinberry jersey (sp?). I would also like a stable of jerseys of big time players from their original small market teams. Think of all the sweet Expos gear! Pedro, RJ, Larry Walker, Guerrero. I’d get a Beltran Royals jersey too for that matter. ANYWAYS sorry I ramble.

    Where to draft Bonds in fantasy? Definitely after Guerrero and before Dye, and it is totally league dependent, both stats wise and competitor wise. You need to know how many Dodgers fans are in your league (I live in LA), how many Giants fans, how many juicers, etc. One reason I would draft Vlad the Dad ahead of Bonds is trade value, as most people tend to overvalue downward trending former superstars, while undervaluing downward trending former average guys. Giambi, for example, will go way lower than he should this year, while Vlad will go way higher, IMHO. Draft Vlad and you may be able to trade for young hitters, draft Bonds and you’re stuck with him

  2. VLookup Vince says:

    Genius, pure genius. That very well could lead to a top 10 ‘small market’ team jerseys I wish I had. Grady Sizemore Expos (Does that count, if he never made it to the bigs?) Schilling Orioles jersey? Bagwell Redsox jersey? At this point even Beltran on the Royals would be pretty throwback. And yes, those mid 90s Expos teams were really good.

    Definitely agree on your fantasy thoughts…but need to be guaranteed Bonds is coming back to sign him there. Without the guarantee, he may be worth a late round flier, to stash on the bench in the off chance he comes. Has the potential to provide more value than Ramon Hernandez.

  3. CAPS LOCK CARL says:

    Great points, Matt. Definitely agreed on Vlad the Dad over Bonds, even if he signs this afternoon. If he signs this afternoon, I’m considering him over Dye in my Sunday draft, though. If not, think he probably goes undrafted but I may pick him up in the last round for the sake of ridiculousness.

    On that note, when exactly does a former player leave the list of active players on ESPN? It seems to me that Bonds has been out of the game long enough to be removed. I mean, if he hasn’t been pulled, could I draft Pete Incaviglia if I wanted to? Mike Devereaux? Neither of those guys had official retirement ceremonies either.

    If so, I would seriously consider a last-round pick purely for the ensuing conversation “if Pete Incaviglia re-joined the Phillies today, how many homers would he hit?” 10? Would he hit above .200? Is his K to BB ratio still 4:1 (see 1986-87)?

    These are the issues I pondered on the toilet this morning.

  4. Matt says:

    Bear in mind my Bonds drafting thoughts were ONLY if he were signed, unless I was in a 18 – 24 team league or something.

    Another jersey idea might be players who had some type of notorious incident with one team, getting the jersey from their original team. Trying to think of an example. Like if Izzy ALcantra had pulled his Karateka act in the Majors but had played for someoen else.

    The Schilling, Bagwell, and Sizemore jerseys you mentioned are also in a different category, cause they were prospects at the time. Comprable to a Hanley Ramirez Red Sox jersey. A good category nonetheless.

  5. Morning Blend Maurice says:

    Appreciate the thoughts Matt. I think your recognition of Bond’s value is astutue. The crusty-old fallen star can indeed be an underestimated source of value. Just off the top of the head, I know Bonds was available late in drafts in ’07 and then dropped a stupid .276/.480/.565 with 28 HRs (and 5 steals!!!!). Dude was 42. As for this year, a quick look at our stolen PECOTA projections (thanks BP) shows a couple 38 year olds who could still bop a bit: Brian Giles is projected for a .280/.376/.415 with 9 HRs while Giambi and Thome are due to hit 24 & 21 homers respectivly. And wow, what a difference a year makes. Manny and Chipper are 37. And i just learned that Jeremy Piven is like 49. Who knew?

    As for jerseys, I’m last-level-of-Mike Tyson’s-Punchout hard just thinking of the possibilities. I would think Mitchell & Ness have the monopoly on all actual throwbacks, but the prospect route (Hanley on Sox or my personal favorite Kazmir on Mets [too soon?]) is infinite and delicious. Another category to ponder is the ‘How I barely knew thee’ category. Think Beltran and Randy on the Stros or Piazza on the Fish or Cliff Floyd on the Sox. This idea might be a nice project for Vince, as well. Find me best productions from a player with <50 games for a team. Looking at you CC…

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